View topic - Hebel v's Brick - price Home Renovation

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BradS	Post subject: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 651	Hey all Well the house is almost done and its time to start looking at the costs involved in building my garage/workshop. This was a part of our 'other builders' tender but when we switched builders the garage funds got put into the house What we are planning on doing is building a garage that will measure around 8 x 7 metre's. Roofing must be high enough to enable me to put a hoist in as this garage will store our toys My question is, what sort of price difference is there between a hebel building a brick building? Our estate says we need to build the garage out of the same materials as the house, but now that the house is built i dont believe we require approval from the estate and i will simply go straight to council for DA. Hebel once painted will look quite similar to a rendered home anyway so we are hoping this may be a cheaper option. Has anyone done the sums? We are a way off being able to do it so i didnt really want to bother a business, and normally a business will want to have something to work with. I currently have nothing but a few ideas and a vision which i am sure will blow the budget lol Thanks Brad
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CluelessOne	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 13 Jan 2012 Posts: 134 Location: Adelaide, SA	We've just gone through the brick vs hebel process with a couple of builders for our new home. From what we've been told/figured out construction costs for hebel a lot less than brick, but there is a bit of a premium on the cost of the product, and of course the extra cost associated with the three coats they have to apply to the whole exterior. To give you an idea, we have been quoted about $8k more for hebel than standard brick. Once we rendered the front and rear walls of the home we were looking at about a $4k price difference between the products. If we were to render the whole home, then hebel would be a cheaper option... though probably not by a big margin (you can use cheap standard bricks and mortar if you are going to render over it all). There are advantages and disadvantages to using hebel, but for a project your size I don't think there will be a lot of difference in price. _________________ My building thread: http://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=56583&start=120
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BradS	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 651	hmm, interesting So is there some sealing process they have to do that ends up making the costs rise considerably? I thought it would just be the hebel and then a sealer between the joins, seems i was wrong. The price i was given previously was just a cappy brick and render and it ended up being about $40 to do it all unfortunately.
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akashra	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Posts: 380 Location: Malcolm Creek, Craigieburn	I went with Hebel as due to estate requirements I was going to need to render at least the front of the house - which was going to be $12k. No idea how they came up with that figure. Ultimately, Hebel added only $4k. Paired with its other advantages, it was a no-brainer. _________________ Building a Delta 21 at Craigieburn - http://homeofzero.blogspot.com.au/ Deposit: 26/02. Contract: 22/05. Settlement: 29/05. Site start: 18/10.
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ecofriendlybuildings	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 23 May 2013 Posts: 4 Location: sydney	Hi guy's Brick vs Hebel I don't mean to change the subject but i was wondering if there was a reason that you where looking into brick and Hebel? There are many different types of light weight construction materials in the industry now. One of the greatest pros of these types of light weight construction is that home owners are able to install these products them selves therefore saving themselves quite a substantial amount of money. on average i know that by installing these materials yourself can potential save a client up to $35 a sqm. Where as in BradS position for example 8x7 by 3 meters high is roughly around 170 sqm of wall area, at $35 a sqm this could work out to be a saving of around the 5-6 thousand mark. This type of job will take around 3-4 days with 2 people. The overall job will look like Rendered hebel or Brick. The company i work for supply these types of materials in Sydney, and we try and convince people to install these materials themselves so that they have that saving. If you would like to know more about these product please feel free to pm me. I would be more then happy to go into more detail. Also Brad Depending on the render system will determine weather or not you need to seal the job. When rendering anything it is always a good idea to have it texture coated. The texture coating is a 1 mm Finish coat applied over the base coat of render. This can have any color in it, therefor it does not need to be painted. The good thing about having this done is that the color in embedded into the render, the color will be more resistant to fading and weather and that the texture coat is flexible therefor minimizing the chance of cracking in the render. If the job is painted Instead of texture coated then the job will need to be sealed with a masonry sealer With Hebel you can not just mesh and patch the joints the whole job must be rendered. if they just mesh the joints if you have any movement withing the frame these joints will crack and leave you with a horrible mess. Hope i was helpful. Daniel _________________ Its easy for a Tradesmen to take your money. Its even easier to do somethings yourself
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BradS	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 651	hi Daniel Thanks for the reply I was looking into for a couple of reasons. 1) is that our estate requires any separate building to be made of the same materials as the house. I figured i may be able to get away with Hebel as it look the same once rendered and painted. 2) is cost. I had heard that in comparison to the cost of building a brick and render garage it would probably be considerably cheaper. 3) its quite light and also quite good when it comes to heating and cooling. I want this shed to be more of a man cave than a garage as such so the ability to heat and cool the building is also something to be considered. I am hoping i may have been given correct information as the garage in brick and render has been roughly quoted at around $30-$40k How do you go about hanging hebel bricks? Is it a bracket type system or bolted to a frame? I have a house down the street from me that is using it everywhere, even flooring, but havent been able to see exactly how its hung on the walls
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ecofriendlybuildings	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 23 May 2013 Posts: 4 Location: sydney	Where about are you building may i ask? Hebel panels are screwed into a timber or aluminium frame. Most of the time the panels are laid vertically and then screwed off. The problem with this is that you have one continuous joint from top to bottom. This method is quicker but as you can imagine that those joint create a movement joint where the render might crack. Also i would look further into the thermal properties of the panel last time i checked the panel itself only gave u a thermal rating of 1.8 or around that mark. which is ok but there are similar but better materials out there for thermals _________________ Its easy for a Tradesmen to take your money. Its even easier to do somethings yourself
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hebel01	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 3	cladding ur house is not a DIY project, thats why so many problems occur after, comapnies selling the product dont care weather you get a professional or not they just want to sell the product, most people get tilers to lay the tiles they have brought, same thing should apply weather buying bricks or hebel panels, i install hebel panels, if you do the job right the first time there wont be any problems. hebel panels are screwed onto battens which are screwed to the frame of the house, getting the battens all level and straigt from corner to corner is the main part of the whole job installing the hebel insnt. price varies depending on jobs, most times its $30 a sqr metre just to install thats supplying hebel and batten screws as well as caulking for joints. 0421414024
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vagabond	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 28 May 2013 Posts: 4	ecofriendlybuildings wrote: Hi guy's Brick vs Hebel I don't mean to change the subject but i was wondering if there was a reason that you where looking into brick and Hebel? There are many different types of light weight construction materials in the industry now. One of the greatest pros of these types of light weight construction is that home owners are able to install these products them selves therefore saving themselves quite a substantial amount of money. on average i know that by installing these materials yourself can potential save a client up to $35 a sqm. Where as in BradS position for example 8x7 by 3 meters high is roughly around 170 sqm of wall area, at $35 a sqm this could work out to be a saving of around the 5-6 thousand mark. This type of job will take around 3-4 days with 2 people. The overall job will look like Rendered hebel or Brick. The company i work for supply these types of materials in Sydney, and we try and convince people to install these materials themselves so that they have that saving. If you would like to know more about these product please feel free to pm me. I would be more then happy to go into more detail. Daniel, I would be interested to know more about those products. In fact I am discussing that in my thread, where I am looking for alternatives for bricks or hebel, if you could posts details of your products there, it would be fantastic. Cheers, John
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BradS	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 651	The garage is being built in Wilton, south of Sydney. It gets damn cold down here so knowing that it is good for cold conditions will also be something i will need to look at. With regard to why i questioned hebel, i was told it would be much cheaper than brick and render, and that was the only reason for my questioning the costs. I wouldnt for a minute think of rendering hebel itself as once its painted it would look somewhat rendered anyway from a distance and rendering over it would totally defeat what i am trying to achieve which is a cost saving. I have also been told that building a blue board garage would be an alternative but the estate has said in the past that the garage must be built of the same material as the house which is rendered brick. I am hoping that if i can show them that its thermally sound and will look just like the house once complete that they will approve it and let me build it with something other than brick
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hebel01	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 3	brads, if you dont render it you will have so much problems, it will not stand the weather, chips will happen, it wont be waterproof if you just paint over it. you cant just paint the panels lol yea theres cost saving ways not cost dodging ways. render it yourself its not that hard.
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BradS	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 651	There is no way in hell i would even contemplate tackling a build like this, or a part of it, as i simply dont have the knowledge or the time to do it. So let me get this out there, hebel01 is telling me it has to be rendered so that it will be weather resistant etc, yet ecofriendlybuildings is telling me that rendering it would not be a good idea as the hebel has joins in it which could create cracks in the render which i believe would be the case as render isnt really that flexible...... just conflicting stories that arent necesarily wrong, just adds weight to why people like myself get confused on what products do what thats all
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TonyG	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 08 Mar 2009 Posts: 7 Location: Melbourne	Check the manufacturer's installation guidelines-I think you'll find they specify render. If the Hebel is properly fixed to the battens it shouldn't be moving.
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BradS	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 651	Tony, i know what you mean, but my house shouldnt move either but it has and i have had a couple of small cracks in the render from the house settling. I would imagine, and hope like hell, that the cracks shouldnt be an issue once everything has settled properly
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hebel01	Post subject: Re: Hebel v's Brick - price
Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Posts: 3	trust me brad you have to render it, atm im doing a 3 year project .. a retierment place with 300 small houses every single one gets rendered. porter davis homes use hebel on some of their build and they render it, so does metr-icon simions homes calise homes catger grange and so on, i dont understand why they would tell you not to render it. yes yhe house does move thats why between 7 panels their should be a control joint and battens from behind where the control joint is must be cut at well ( so its completly seprate from the other panels but still attached to the walls). if the panels are glues and fixed properly you shouldnt get cracks. go get a panel of hebel and just pour water on it look at how it would just suck it right up, once its rederd and painted, water will just slide right off. price for redering hebel isnt more then $30 per mtr
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